Whether it be drunkiness,adultery or homosexuality. I understand that you think it is. Yes the 2nd chapter of Genesis is poetry. People read Frank Schaffer! Where did Jesus say anything about polluting the environment, or armed robbery? Trusting His Thoughts If he refuses to listen to the church, treat him like a Gentile or a tax collector. so I guess that wouldnt be considered a sin. I can agree that some Christians do not handle differences well, and that problems are handled in some with gossip, slander and unbiblical methods of correction. I just ran across your blog recently. Im simply asking you to justify the parts of the Bible you either reinterpret or ignore altogether. It was based on knowing I had no hope and believing Jesus was empowered and pleased to offer me new life, hope and fellowship with God. New Releases. He described evangelical Christianity devolving to the point where true believers are sniffing each others butts for doctrinal purity. Thanks for the great submission Mike. That seems nonsensical. We tell local Austin news & weather stories, and we do what we do to make Austin, Round Rock, Georgetown, Dripping Springs, Bastrop and the rest of Central Texas a better place to live. They think the Old Testament God is not the same God of the New Testament or that God changed his mind and has mood swings. How did a blog post calling into question the way that conservative Christians attack each other descend into comments by Christians (Im assuming) attacking each other about SSM? Holy, sacred space I thought I had healed, I thought I was coping well with sexism in my world. How bad does it have to get? Well, one things for certain, it will be far worse for you for raising the issue than it will for anyone in leadership thats doing the sinning. Was the author referencing Jen as a wounded wolf? Jesus gives the guy a list of commands to keep, and then he tells him, If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me. (NASB) Jesus was very clearly telling the guy how to inherit eternal life. I appreciate your post on this. But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Ive found that people who define things outside of the bigger community of the global Church, through the centuries, have too narrow opinions on Jesus and Pauls teachings. Wonder why the majority of the Christian Machine disdains you? Unity in Him But that also shouldnt stop us from loving one another. Its just so obvious that the creator God made man for man. Youre at church to get help for any kind of sin not just this one, not to have it smiled upon so that no one will be offended. Step back and have some one on one time with God because.let he who has no sin cast the first stone and when people do this and run her down you are TURNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM GOD!!! So I guess the real question for people with opposit sex attraction is what do you love more. Christians normally reserve the word heresy for serious doctrinal error that strikes at core doctrines of the faith, doctrines considered foundational like Trinity etc. Mike are you saying the nature and the tone of the criticisms are what you object to? This is not about Trump. How bad does it have to get? A song, actually. These people who destroyed the church, still kept their homes, their jobs, while me and my entire staff were left picking up the pieces to start our lives over again. Saying sin is wrong is not hate speech. Metropolitan Baptist Church, Bloomington, MN - 3.1.23 Wednesday Evening 7:30 PMMetropolitan Baptist ChurchBloomington, MNPastor Austin Wartner The protectors of orthodoxy appear to have drawn a bead on her as they did on Rachel Held Evans, Rob Bell and Brian McLaren before her. You hear disagreement and immediately assume it is a voice of bloodlust and anger and vengeance, and its easy to avoid the weight of the Bible when you can just write off any reasoned appeal from Scripture as a a bigoted response from a close-minded fiend. Let no man divide what God has put together., 7 The proud religious law-keepers said to Jesus, Then why did the Law of Moses allow a man to divorce his wife if he put it down in writing and gave it to her? 8 Jesus said to them, Because of your hard hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives. Im also a millenial who thinks the evangelical church has become a joke. And Im not sure what youre getting at in regard to child abuse. GET TO KNOW US. 1:44. Why because no where in the Bible does it say it is okay. What a terrible way to talk about Good Friday., http://www.holmeslybrand.com/culture/2017/4/21/jen-hatmaker-please-stop. Get the bloodlust out of your system, people. You just dont arrive at any conclusion that a Biblical marriage covenant is anything other than what Jesus said it was a man and a woman. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Farewell Jen Hatmaker: the brutality of unhealthy religion, Its perfectly natural, not perfectly biblical, to desire the death penalty, A tale of two Christianities on its knees. Ah, yes. But we should not bend Gods word with our own to meet the secular world. We all know deep down whats right and whats wrong. And with all due respect, wouldnt your theology investigation be better invested on this very important matter of salvation (affecting 100% of humanity) instead of the issue of homosexuality (affecting 3-5% of humanity)? Wilshire Baptist Church, a Dallas-area congregation, voted in 2016 to extend full membership to homosexually active people, including leadership ordination and marriage officiation. Great question KB. As in, what you say is great. Sunday, May 28, 2022. Because if it is sin, the only justification we are allowed as believers to practice is repentance and forgiveness through the cross and grace of Jesus. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner not even to eat with such a person. And it was allowed. We must do better. But my confidence in what we call the church, or American evangelicalism is shattered deeply. Jesus calls us to speak the Truth in LOVE (not in bloodthirsty fury). But often we fail to see it when its practiced within our own communities. In your pursuit of eternal life, have you sold all your possessions and given them to the poor and if not, how do you justify that? He also doesnt condemn those who have had sex outside of marriage as though they should be forbidden from heaven, though he does request that they go and sin no more, he leaves the execution of that command up to the person he says it to. God so loved the world, that means everything in it including sinners, god loves you. It should NOT be saying sin is A-OK. shebearsbecausesheiscalled , 06/14/2019. Is she officially on staff at ANC in any paid or unpaid position? Original post: The Church is judgmentally and systematically abusing people within the Church for issues that are not central to the Gospel this needs to stop! Plain and simple. Do you practice that yourself? To learn more about the artists and discover more of their work:https://a ANC 12-23-22 Christmas Eve Eve Live Service, Ascension Day. Hello! My misgiving with this article is whitewashing false teachers, since the subject is not about how to reach and love on homosexuals, but on how to deal with false teachers. You sound like someone born of self intellect masked in biblical references.you dont sound like Jesus, you sound like a Pharisee, overeducated and pious. Its not what you say but when and how you communicate it. So I enjoy beer, whisky, and alcohol; but have never been drunk a day in my life (dont know what it even feels like to be drunk). Get off of youre throne bro, youre clueless. Forgive. Great food for thought. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? During this time when many in the church are embracing a worldly view on sexuality and being influenced more by the opinions of the culture than by the Word of God, those who have the Word of God as a priority are genuinely concerned about syncretism in the church with Hollywood values and agenda. But this type of story appears just once in the Bible. I had never really heard of Hatmaker before and then I heard she inclusive of same sex relationships. Knowing how to respect and honour others is quickly fading from the memories of Western Christians, who live in small, disconnected bubbles of thought, belief, and practice and seem to feel ok with that. But I understand itI was one of those at one time, too. Its crazy to speculate what Jesus would or would not approve of if he didnt specifically speak about it. Praise God David that He never left your side and He indeed had a better place for you. 5/15/22 ANC 5-15-2022 Sunday Live Service ANC 5-15-2022 Sunday Live Service 5/8/22 . Pics by Pauly Littrell) His standard is unflinching. Anyone who writes a damning or imperious or condescending comment on their blog is only showing they have no such concern for the person. They believe that we have free willthat we choose God. It was never worth the dramaplus, there would likely always be another mom pushing a little Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle around. Mr. Why dont we quit pretending that we speak for Godor even that the Bible is clear on everything it teaches? Call off the attack dogs. They want to use their platform and were the bad guys if we dont disagree in a quiet, loving manner. Love. Wow, thanks for that. Where do you get that any sex outside your strict standard is disapproved of by God? Thank you, and god bless each and Evey one of you. In what universe is she to be held in the same standing as an ordained minister? If they say something a number of us disagree with, and do so publically, maybe we can disagree from beneath that is, with a profound sense of our own brokenness and need of Christs Grace-full touch? That is the way it is handled in our church. It all matters, but, just sayin Some tens of thousands of believers were martyred in 2016 and Jen Hatmaker is complaining about internet trolls and theological criticism. He also confines marriage to man and woman by reiterating the words of Genesis 1 and 2 in Matthew 19. It seems to be the only one you can quote here. Sadly, this is what happens when religious communities become obsessed with building walls to exclude others. Jen is the author of many books and Bible studies, including Interrupted, 7, and Girl Talk. Maybe thats an indication for me to say that they are the kind of disciples I want to be. I would also ask, why do we tolerate certain sins in ourselves and others? Paul himself did not break up his letters into chapters and verses. And Im not suggesting that religious leaders shouldnt debate and discuss their concerns when members (or fellow leaders) appear to contradict or challenge these beliefs. Ahh yes. And it has been confusing and a massive struggle to say the least. Do you keep Saturdays holy? Not only is it a revisioned and repurposed music venue, it is also home to Austin New Church, a variety of 12-step programs & support groups, an award winning after school care program, and a progressive and inclusive Latino faith community. If you think the person is sinning, that is something to engage privately. This is the problem with Rob Bell and the other guy mentioned in the Article. Mark 10:6-9 NKJV Jesus didnt say a lot of things. Self justification can take many forms. We cant receive grace from something we dont actually believe is a sin. Im hearing some noted preachers, and teachers of preaching, nervously proclaiming that the sermon is safe from the chatbot. Either you believe it is sin, and you teach people that Gods grace can cover this and help people take it to the cross. It may exist elsewhere but not in the realm of Christian orthodoxy. Those old theologians were big on grace and were vehement defenders of the idea that we acquire salvation by Gods grace alone, not by works (I agree with this). According to a source that told the U.S . Long-time Austin resident and artist Eva Deli is showing new art work at the Bloomington Art Center Atrium Gallery. Shes not a heretic. And did he lower the behavioral bar re sexual sin or raise it? Re JH and accountability, its useful to look at the timeline of events that have led up to this. Now I know youll pull the old , Well, Im not saying itGod is!, The God who said it is not good for the man to be alone is the same God who says, through Jesus, Some were made this way and some were born this way. In my email exchange with Jared I got to see the human side of how that feels. The strictest. I thank God I am not a reformed sinner. The whole account shows Jesus mercy for sinners, certainly not a model for punishing the sinner. Huge fan of the underdog. 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