''He said it was all just terrible.''. Following the end of the war, he resumed his studies and enrolled into the University of Michigan, from where he completed his bachelors degree in business administration. But even if it's all true, this is still not a man with a history of murder, but a man with a murder in his history. Born In: Bay City, Michigan, United States. I actually do try to keep this blog politically neutral we all need a break from partisanship. Mr. Reed put Mr. Clark in touch with Charles S. Joyner, one of the two partners in the accounting firm of Maddrea, Joyner, Kirkham & Woody in Richmond. Mrs. Stefano also recalled an evening at the Clark home when the conversation turned to the couple's origins. Heleft the house everymorning,pretending to go to work when he was really whiling away time reading or sleeping in the train station. Authorities are not certain just when List arrived in the Denver area, but one Denver man remembered meeting Robert P. Clark in Golden in early 1973, just over a year after the murders. I'd tell him I wasn't going to get into that kind of mess again, and he said he wasn't going to either. His dad used to go to the ball games. Clark held several cooking jobs in the early 70s and moved frequently, Wetmore said. Tonights interview marks Chungs last appearance for ABC before she heads for CNN. When the police entered the house, on December 7th, the bodies had begun to decompose. Mr. Wetmore helped Mr. Clark move ''one pickup truck's worth load of stuff'' to Denver. I took the paper next door and showed it to Delores. On April 4, 1986, Mr. Clark was laid off and, Mr. Bassler said, ''We were sorry to see him go. Marion Delores Clark Miller was born to Paul and Ada(Tuttle)Clark on September 25, 1937 in Moody County, South Dakota, where she was raised on several He was a devout Lutheran layman and his fingerprints matched those of the fugitive John E. List. Episodes, photos and other information are also available at fatherwantsusdead.com. Indeed, Trumps rescinding the moratorium on federal execution is an example (and some need informing that he didnt impose death a judge and jury did but merely removed the block to its enaction.). Delores Clark acknowledged at her news conference that she had dismissed the magazine article from her mind and had never shown it to her husband. It was 4 years ago, I believe now youll be cheering people that threaten death on The CIC and his supporters. ( I think he did remarry while on the run)? It's a good question (subject to I say this as pro-Trump, regarding the relative silence of liberals at the violence and other crime perpetrated in the name of BLM in 20 as rank hypocrisy viz their complaints against him as his supporters re the Capitol riot. Are you? She had married in her 30s, and John was her only child. The resume Mr. Clark used to find a job in Richmond begins in 1972. Its not a good read.full of his BS and tons of grammatical errors and misspellings. The family did not have a lot of visitors and it took the neighbours 29 days to notice that something was off in the house. He later pursued a masters degree in accounting from the same university and as the Korean War had escalated in 1950, he was recalled by the Army and was commissioned as a second lieutenant, stationed at Fort Eustis in Virginia, where he met his wife Helen. He went on to wed again, join a new family and live in peace and anonymity for nearly two decades. Love your posts, RR! ''I let it go.''. By then, he owned a 1974 Volkswagen and had gotten an accounting job '', Although he hesitated before placing Mr. Clark in the Roberto job, ''I couldn't come up with a reason to say no,'' Mr. Oldson said. "I knew it was wrong. Mr. Clark started doing work on the side for H & R Block. Mr. He was a religious man. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. He murdered his mother, wife and three children in November 1971, due to financial distress and other issues within the family, and fled. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. But his defence was rejected and he was imprisoned at the New Jersey State Prison. I guess I was thinking, well Ive started, now Ive got to finish it.. She said the newlyweds were a lot alike. That was the last I heard from her before Bob was arrested.. Miller is not in business there, and there is no evidence it ever existed. Ann: Theres an issue of cause and effect here. Mr. Oldson said he did not remember Mr. Clark's having references. She was preceded in death by her husband, Raymond; sons, Larry, Jim granddaughter, Gayle Ballow; siblings, Joyce Clark & Mildred Miller. Soon after his high school graduation, he joined the United States Army during the Second World War, where he worked as a laboratory technician. But, during a four-hour interview, he sought to explain how worries that financial hardship would split his family and turn them away from their faith forced him to make a tough decision. It was the biggest story he could remember, and the local fervor for information was immediate. His picture was also shown on television, which led one of his neighbours to notify the authorities. He ''spoke slowly, softly and almost under his breath.''. Delores is survived The balding bookkeeper, arrested by FBI agents on June 1, claims to be Robert P. Clark, a former resident of Denver who moved to the Richmond area 18 months ago. He chose not tocommit suicide because he considered it a sin. And when they did, he shot them, one by one. WebOK, I am seeing: Delores Clark (Miller), married 1985- I was thinking of editing in "2008 (his death)" but don't know if I'd be getting into privacy issues. I dont wish death on the CIC. That was low. Sometimes we ought to be discomforted to rouse us from complacency. But their love story came to an end within 14 months. The FBI says that Clark is the alias List developed when he fled to Colorado after the Nov. 9, 1971, slayings in Westfield, N.J., an affluent suburb 15 miles west of New York City. He defended himself saying that he was not mentally stable. I believe it was 1895 or possibly 96. He usually chose large apartment complexes where it was easy to remain anonymous. Now you come in List with your perverted religious interpretations and go hog wild. He was apprehended 18 years later in 1989 and was sentenced to five terms List then killed his kids one by one as they returned home from school. He died in the prison hospital at the age of 82, in 2008. Was this numbers cruncher really ignorant that the Tiffany chandelier was worth close to $100K? COVID origins? It took Johns fingerprints to match with the military records to convince the authorities that he was John List. John Lists friend wrote a book where it mentions they divorced and she was living in poverty. I remember that I was amazed at the amount of blood that flowed out of her, List says. Although a model employee in most ways, ''he just couldn't implement the computer mode that we needed.''. The man who says he is Robert P. Clark apparently spent 17 years hiding behind little more than a cloak of ordinariness and a penchant for privacy before his arrest on murder charges a week ago, friends and acquaintances said. Not to this horrific extent but nevertheless in some way that makes me uncomfortable to be around these type of people. Agree. The couple had three children together, while Helens daughter Brenda left home in 1960 after her marriage. He lined up the four bodies in the ballroom (he said his mother's body was too heavy to move), put music on the internal intercom, and cleaned up meticulously. Shes not a strong person and I dont think she felt she could have faced the truth, so she just let it lie.. ''He came in from the other room wide-eyed,'' as if to indicate that she was not to say anything. Mr. Clark, he said, was living in a trailer park across the street from the hotel. He said, ''We were dealing with a gentleman who certainly had the academic credentials,'' but he acknowledged that no attempt was made to ascertain whether Mr. Clark had, in fact, attended the University of Michigan, as he had stated. He even had turned the thermostat down to 50 degrees to preserve the bodies.. WebDelores E. Clark Richmond, Virginia Oct 27, 1930 Jan 21, 2017 Plant Memorial Trees Not the right person? He took out the last $2,000 on the day of the killings, said Moran, who found the withdrawal slip while searching the house. The Fugitive Belated Start For the Manhunt. Little of this past did List, as Clark, ever reveal. Spouse/Ex-: Delores Miller Clark (m. 19851989), Helen List (m. 19511971), children: Frederick List, John, Jr. Academic Background. Her son-in-law Randy Mitchell called the telephone number on the screen on her instructions and gave the operator the phone number and address of the Clarks in Virginia. Lack of faith. The bodies of Lists 85-year-old mother, Alma, his wife, Helen, 45, and their children, Patricia, 16, John Jr., 15, and Frederick, 13, were not discovered until the evening of Dec. 7, 1971. Listlowered the temperature in the house, cued up some organmusic on the intercom system, and told his kids teachers that the family had gone on a trip to North Carolina. He was behind by $11,000on the houseand had been secretly dipping into his mothers accounts. "I was hungry," he told Downtown, adding with a chuckle, "that's just the way it was.". The case turned cold until18 years later, whenthen-newTV showAmericas Most Wantedcommissioned forensic artist Frank Bender to sculpt a bustthat aged List. '', See the article in its original context from. Helen had turned into an alcoholic, which caused them to engage in a lot of fights. "I remember talking about funerals and cremation and burials. They had been dead nearly a month, and by that time John Emil List was long gone. Internet research turned up a number of statistics that surely would have providedList with some consolation if he faced his sameproblems post-2000. He said he found Mr. Clark ''a little strange.'' Flipping through his tenant file, she said: Ive never seen anything like this in all the years Ive been here. He later completed his masters degree in accounting and worked as an accountant in the military. If he did it once, he could have done it again, especially since they were having financial problems.. They say he spent much of his leisure time in church-related activities. List had bachelor's and master's in business administration from the University of Michigan and was a C.P.A. The program, one that Clark watched regularly and often recommended to neighbors, featured a plaster bust portraying List as he might look now. Delores Hall is an American stage and television actress who made her Broadway debut as a replacement in the ensemble of Hair. His father was a devout Lutheran who also taught at a local Sunday School in Bay City. Does Flanery have any regrets about turning in Clark? And of course both presidential candidates have strengths and weaknesses but so polarised are the positions of even intelligent and well-informed people (it would be fair to regard a good proportion of those who work in the national media as such) that there is little no attempt to be even-handed; and defence of one being regarded as attack of the other. What on earth has your comment got to do with the price of fish? He recollected that Mr. Clark wore ''things that didn't match'' and seemed to have been ''living hand to mouth, doing bookkeeping work. Authorities walk John List to a plane in Richmond, Virginia in 1989 before transporting him to New Jersey to stand trial.Steve Helber/AP. ''I spent a lot of my life on skid row and in cow camps,'' Mr. Wetmore, 71 years old, said in an interview this week. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). He later took a job as the vice president at a bank in New Jersey, where the family finally got settled. ''I remember talking to him a few times about marriage, because I was having marital troubles at the time,'' Mr. Roberto recalled. They got married in December 1951. . He had told her he had no children. Mr. Clark flew out at his own expense for an interview and obtained the job. List are unquestionably the same man. I was in despair, List says. He was 82 years old at the time of his demise. The neighbor, Wanda R. Flanery, may have been the first person to harbor suspicions about Mr. Clark's identity. Keep the politics out of it, dude. ''I only know Bobby Clark,'' said the Richmond friend, who asked not to be identified. By the late 1950s, the family was in a good financial situation as John had been promoted to the position of a general supervisor in the company. List, an accountant, insurance salesman, former bank vice president and Sunday school teacher, disappeared in November 1971. Liberals and the US media largely composed of such conspire to present a blatently one-sided narrative. His middle son, John Jr. who was also his favorite suffered the most brutal death. Mr. Joyner relied on the employment agency to verify Mr. Clark's resume. After her husbands arrest, Delores Clark told the FBI she couldnt believe he was a murderer. Moran said List had told people that his wife was an alcoholic spendthrift who nagged him constantly. John was convicted of five counts of first degree murder in April 1990 and was imprisoned with five terms of consecutive life imprisonment. By then, he owned a 1974 Volkswagen and had gotten an accounting job working for a company that made cardboard boxes. Finally, Delores shook her head and said, Thats not my husband. I then dared her to show it to Bob and ask him, but I dont think she ever did. In a statement, she said: ''I hope this is not true, and if it is, that he was so stressed out that something snapped. Mr. Joyner said Mr. Clark was a hard worker who often arrived at his office, in a two-story brick building in a shopping mall across from a J. C. Penney store, before 8 o'clock and worked straight through till 5, taking lunch at his desk. Unlike the others, John didn't go quietly, his body jerking as List emptied both the 9 millimeter and the .22 into his son. Of course, what List stated were his reasons/motives for the murders and what they really were (whether he was aware or not) could be different. But back in Denver, his former neighbors did recognize him, and called police. Perhaps if Listknew back in 1971 that, 45 years in the future,an American who filed for bankruptcy protection four timeswould nonetheless be electedleader of the free world, he could have sucked it up, started over,and eventually made the Listfamily great again. I agree he wanted a fresh start. . She said List, who spoke fluent German, attended a Lutheran elementary school and later went to public high school. Gary Morrison, a former chef at the motel, remembered Clark saying he had once been married but his wife had died of cancer. ''His father was Germanic, so he had an interest in things Germanic,'' the friend said. John fled the house after putting all the bodies on sleeping bags, turning the house lights on and putting on some classical music. He now says he was too ashamed to tell his wife, Helen, that hed lost his job and would go to the train station each morning, pretending to be at work. RR. In February 1988, the couple moved to Midlothian, Virginia, where List, still using the name Bob Clark, resumed work as an accountant. However, he was not ready to disclose his incompetency to his family yet and hence, he left the house every morning, sat on the railway station and read books and newspapers all day. Her illness left astronomical medical bills, he'd tell me. ''He didn't even like football, because, he said, it was just men out there battering their heads together, instead of using their brains.'' On the morning of June 1st 1989, housewife Delores Clark (nee Miller) of Midlothian, Virginia received a phone call that would blow her world to pieces. ''And I came in to the hotel from the mountains looking for something to do.''. It may be more than coincidence that Miller is the former name of Mr. Clark's wife, Delores, and R. C. are Mr. Clark's initials. WebJohn List may refer to: John A. List, Patricia List, place of death: Trenton, New Jersey, United States, education: University Of Michigan, Ann Arbor. The man called at the insistence of his mother-in-law, who was a friend of Mr. Clark's wife, Delores, and had kept in touch with the Clarks after their move to Virginia. List was arrested the next day by the FBI. He waited until his wife and children arrivedhome one by one,crept up and shot them in the head at close range, and dragged their bodies into the ballroom. Even from his jail cell in Virginia, where he is accused of being the fugitive John Emil List and awaits extradition to New Jersey to face charges that he murdered five members of his family in 1971, he has neither protested his innocence nor confessed his guilt. He thought it improper in the eyes of God. He joined a Lutheran congregation and ran a car pool for shut-in church members. Returning home, he made several calls to explain that the family had gone to North Carolina to visit his wife's ailing mother, and that he was planning to follow by car. So true extremism of any kind always seems to hurt some innocent people. Lists logic in killing his entire family to ensure they went to heaven is undeniable if youre a psychopathic lunatic. His wifes salary as a clerk at the Fitzsimmons Army Medical Center was not enough to support them and they began to slip behind in their monthly payments. List died at St. Francis Medical Center in Trenton four days after being taken there from the New Jersey State Prison, officials told The Associated Press. Cookie Settings/Do Not Sell My Personal Information. ''If he goes into a McDonald's for a hamburger, the man is going to bow his head and say grace to his God,'' the friend said. List was a member of the U.S. Army during the Second World War. She had been previously married and had a daughter. He was arrested 11 days later, and, after a jury rejected his diminished capacity defense, convicted and sentenced. ''I knew it was Bob,'' she said. And it came from a family member of all people. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. I dont think he was a psychopath. He took the name Robert Clark, eventually got an accounting job, and remarried. Clark left Denver in February, 1988, to take the new job, just as the company was getting busy with tax season. First, a recap of theForensic Filesepisode The List Murders with some additional research from the internet. Another great post and one of my all time favourite murder stories. List would also be 63 years old now. According to a letter List leftin the house along with the five bodies, heturned to homicidein part to preventthe embarrassment that losing the homewould cause his family. And he yelled, 'Put that thing down before your eyeball falls out.' God is perfect. I was going to subscribe and refer until I saw that swipe at Trump. He married Helen and raised three children with her, while working as an accountant in many places, such as New York and New Jersey. Fact cannot be objected to unless its status as fact is contested. He told Steve Reed, a vice president of the agency, Richmond Placements Inc., that he wanted to live and work in a more vibrant economy. He also claimed to be suffering from PTSD. The last thing I remember hearing about Delores Clark is that she finally accepted the fact that her husband was John List. He died in prison as a result of pneumonia. She never showed the photo to Mr. Clark. One doesnt need to like the man himself Perhaps the strongest illustration of this is the mismatch between media mores and voters: the overwhelmingly liberal (anti-Trump) media being vastly unrepresentative of the people as expressed in the popular vote: Biden 51.3%; Trump 46.9%. Human name disambiguation pages. ''If he was the last man on earth, he still wouldn't be alone. He took a new identity and also joined a Lutheran church, where he met his second wife, Delores Miller. In Denver, Clarks acquaintances say they find it hard to believe he is List. WebAccording to sources, during the initial days of their relationship, the couple claimed that both of them had very strong feelings for each other which are more than enough for them to keep their bond. He began living with a new identity in Virginia, where he was spotted by a local and got arrested. His story was made into a hit TV movie starring WebDelores Hall - Biography. He was too shy and seemed disinterested in talking to even his superiors. They'll either have forgiven me or won't realize, you know, what happened," List told Downtown's Connie Chung in an interview at the New Jersey State Prison in Trenton, where he is serving five life sentences. Jim Clark, 76, of Cedar Hill, passed from this life on Thursday February 23, 2023, at TriStar NorthCrest Medical Center. Wanda Flanery said Clarks arrest should not have come as a complete shock to her friend, however. The Downturn Laid Off and Late With the Mortgage, Gradually, Mr. Clark became less and less of an asset to All Packaging. Any murderer is a hero to people like the writer of this post. Way roomy. ''She didn't want to talk,'' Mrs. Stefano said of Mrs. Clark. For the first time, she has her own tour bus. Why hadnt he just killed himself, Chung asks? Its first entry is R. C. Miller, a business he said was in Wheatridge, Colo., a suburb north of Denver. 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